I am thinking of just getting an os/2 licence and just run a bbs off that. Im too lazy to run linux.


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I am thinking of just getting an os/2 licence and just run a bbs off that. too lazy to run linux.

Good for you. Atleast that has "real DOS" to run the BBS in and not some bullshit emulated crap of linux.

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EXODUS (21:1/144) wrote to Arelor <=-

No, its not. The reason I am no longer running Win10 for the BBS.
Each update slowly ruined NTVDM (Virtual DOS Machine - ie emulated), so
I needed to go back to something more stable and DOS like such as XP. Which is also semi emulated.

I would love to go back to WIndows 10, but as soon as Windows 10 ages, script kiddies are going to find things to mess with my virtual machine.


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I would love to go back to WIndows 10, but as soon as Windows 10 ages, scr kiddies are going to find things to mess with my virtual machine.

I didn't mind it either running the BBS, but every time they screwed with the NTVDM on a windows "update" which is plain bullshit, I had doors from 89-93 that didn't work any longer, but worked on Win7, Win XP, etc. Just pissed me off. Why ruin something that WORKS and say, you have to do it this way now, instead of saying, there is is, deal with whats left, and here's something new. Not like DOS takes up that much system resources.

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So.... if I recall correctly from earlier in this thread, you were quite offended about running "DOS BBS software" in any kind of emulated environment. I believe the word used was "emulated crap". And yet...

Just Linux. I find it to be a horrible replacement for what is here. Nick will agree with me. I HATE jumping thru hoops to just read a friggin' SD card or an external drive because of a permission bullshit issue.

Newsflash! BBS stuff is now made for many other OS's, most of which run natively on the OS, with no need for "emulated crap".

Yes, but the doors everyone bitches and moans about NOT working are made for DOS and ment to run on DOS based. It's like be trying to shove a Chevy
engine in a Ford. Could it be done? Yes, but why would I put shit into a Ford?

It seems to me that you could (should?) be running the old DOS software
on .... DOS.

If DOS could task 10 windows at a time, sure I would. DV isn't gonna cut it. OS/2 doesn't have the applications to run in the background to off-set the ones written for windows. ArcaOS is a nice upgrade, but it doesn't cut it.

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Good for you. Atleast that has "real DOS" to run the BBS in and not some bullshit emulated crap of linux.

OS/2 is "real DOS"?

More so than anything we have today without installing DOS itself.

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More so than anything we have today without installing DOS itself.

Well, OK... So it would be safe to say that running a DOS BBS in OS/2
would *also* be using "some bullshit emulated crap", right?

No, because IBM and MS worked together on OS/2 and there is real mode DOS there.

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Is this a trolling attempt?

Nope, just my distaste for linux.

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Exodus to Gamgee on Sat Oct 25 2025 10:56 pm

just hate linux a little less than I do Apple. If it wasn't for that anit-trust suit back in 95/96? ANd MS bailed them out by releasing
office on to Apple, that company would be gone.

Are you referring to the anti-trust suit against Microsoft? And from what I recall, Microsoft bailed out Apple by investing money in Apple; their bailout wasn't their release of Office for Apple.

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Exodus wrote to Arelor <=-

Then I wonder what the difference is between emulated crap on Linux and emulated crap elsewhere.
I bet emulated crap in Windows is fine? :-P

No, its not. The reason I am no longer running Win10 for the BBS.
Each update slowly ruined NTVDM (Virtual DOS Machine - ie emulated), so
I needed to go back to something more stable and DOS like such as XP. Which is also semi emulated.

So.... if I recall correctly from earlier in this thread, you were quite offended about running "DOS BBS software" in any kind of emulated
environment. I believe the word used was "emulated crap". And yet...
you run DOS BBS software in a Windows emulator (whether it's Win10 or
WinXP doesn't much matter). Having trouble understanding that logic.

It seems to me that you could (should?) be running the old DOS software
on .... DOS.

BBS stuff was made for MS-DOS, in DOS days. Even PC-DOS, etc. would
have issues running sometimes.

Newsflash! BBS stuff is now made for many other OS's, most of which run natively on the OS, with no need for "emulated crap".



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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Exodus to Utopian Galt on Sat Oct 18 2025 02:14 pm

Good for you. Atleast that has "real DOS" to run the BBS in and not some bullshit emulated crap of linux.

Is this a trolling attempt?

DOS application emulation on most popular operating systems is quite good at this point.


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Exodus wrote to Gamgee <=-

Why would you need 10 windows? Do you ever have 10 callers (or even
more than 2) at the same time?

I didn't mean BBS windows, I meant 10 windows running in the background for programs. ANd yes, I've had all 4 nodes online at one time.
Within the last few years, it's mainly 2, but once in a while I will
have 3 online at the same time.

Okay... well, you can have 10 (or 100) windows open on a Linux
computer, just like you can on Windows.

Not trying to give you a hard time, just want to understand your
thinking.

Good, I told Nick you were trying to group me in with Mr. Professor. :)
I just hate linux a little less than I do Apple. If it wasn't for
that anit-trust suite back in 95/96? ANd MS bailed them out by
releasing office on to Apple, that company would be gone.

Don't get me wrong, I love me a good Android, which is linux based, but the stupid permission crap kills me. Why am I forced to do this. If
I want my hardware to get fuc%ed up, and want to restore from a backup,
I should be free to do so. I don't see why we dumb things down to the lowest dumbest user of something. I don't get society. Survial of
the fitess ... needs to come back.

The permissions thing is a very good thing, as it protects your data
from other people that might be using the same computer. It is not a difficult thing to understand or use, once you know the basic concepts
of it. In this day and age, it is RARELY a problem and "just works".
You may have had a bad experience with it long ago or something, when
Linux was indeed somewhat difficult to use. It's not that way any more.

All right, well.... to each his own, I guess. Have a good one!



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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Exodus to Gamgee on Sat Oct 25 2025 10:56 pm

Don't get me wrong, I love me a good Android, which is linux based, but the stupid permission crap kills me. Why am I forced to do this. If I want my hardware to get fuc%ed up, and want to restore from a backup, I should be free to do so. I don't see why we dumb things down to the lowest dumbest user of something. I don't get society. Survial of the fitess ... needs to come back.

Operating System permissions being tight are the opposite of dumbing down the system. They are a safety meassure in multiuser systems to protect groups of users from other users.

If you want to play around with your operating system you just get an administrative account in it. If you don't have an administrative account in in then the system is working as intended if you can't screw around.

For all the trash that can be talked about modern Linux implementations, you decided to trash a feature that works very well. I am honestly confused.


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On 20 Oct 2025, Dumas Walker said the following...

Well, OK... So it would be safe to say that running a DOS BBS in OS/2 would *also* be using "some bullshit emulated crap", right?

No, because IBM and MS worked together on OS/2 and there is real mode DO there.

True. However, at some point during the evolution of Windows, didn't the DOS terminal go from being "real" to emulated once the underpinnings switch from 9x to NT?

we've talked about this before.. it's been 'emulated' since the Windows 3 days. by the cpu and by windows. "fake" memory, "fake" computer "fake" DOS.. even in NT (2000 XP 7..) 32bit tho. no, you were not safe from this evil
emulation in DesqView either. so much for this "muh pure DOS" concept.

this was a pretty important advancement in computing heh

the main difference between windows 3, 9x, etc and NT is that the older ones were allowed access to the hardware directly for *un-emulated* calls. to apply modern terminology to windows 95, your copy of Monkey Island would be running
in a VM, with hardware pass-through to your Sound Blaster 16.

OS/2 took it a step further and can emulate any version of DOS. you can slap
a boot disk in the drive and double click an icon and a window will pop up with a copy of MS-DOS 6.22 inside of it. i've used this before (to rebuild the Borland Pascal 7 RTL with an inbuilt runtime error 200 fix) because it wouldn't progress past a certain point in the regular OS/2 DOS window.

dosemu[2] works in the same way if there's a 32-bit cpu in your machine, and is no less "authentic" than running it on windows 3..

so yeah pretty much anyone who has run a multi-node bbs on a single machine has been running some emulated DOS junk that they should be ashamed of. or some elitist drivel i don't know..

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On 20 Oct 2025 at 06:07p, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

Which was good, because the emulated terminal wasn't quite there. Qedit for DOS would run choppily, and I could out-type it. Qedit for OS/2 ran fine in a DOS window and was much smoother.

DOS was so anemic and let programs get away with so many shenanigans
to get around its limitations, that I'm not at all surprised that some
of those workarounds came back to bite once those programs were moved
to a real operating system that did things like enforce memory safety
and isolate programs from the hardware. That pain would have already
been suffered in the OS/2 world a few years before.

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: esc to Exodus on Mon Oct 27 2025 04:39:39

There are BBSes not designed for DOS. Tons of 'em, in fact. Just because you started out using DOS based BBSes doesn't mean all BBSes are written for DOS There are old Apple II BBS softwares, for example.

IIRC, the OG, CBBS, ran on an Altair.
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There are BBSes not designed for DOS. Tons of 'em, in fact. Just because yo started out using DOS based BBSes doesn't mean all BBSes are written for DO There are old Apple II BBS softwares, for example.

Yes I know ...

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Mon Oct 27 2025 07:48:49

Look at Windows 10 OIT LTSC...

M-O-U-S-EEEEEEE! (Sorry, couldn't resist). :)

You can get another year of support by signing up for a microsoft
account and setting up backup.

AKA, the Procratination Maneuver. I'm in the Windows Insider program, so I'm all set. Come next October, however, I think it'll be time to ease on down the road.
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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bob Worm on Mon Oct 27 2025 07:48:49

I was thinking that it's about time for a re-watch. This settles it.

We need a montage!
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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Mon Oct 27 2025 07:48:49

Look at Windows 10 OIT LTSC...

M-O-U-S-EEEEEEE! (Sorry, couldn't resist). :)

You can get another year of support by signing up for a microsoft account and setting up backup.

AKA, the Procratination Maneuver. I'm in the Windows Insider program, so I'm all set. Come next October, however, I think it'll be time to ease on down the road.

Zero Patch will be available for a while.

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Shurato wrote to Mortar M. <=-

AKA, the Procratination Maneuver. I'm in the Windows Insider program, so I'm all set. Come next October, however, I think it'll be time to ease on down the road.

Zero Patch will be available for a while.

Part of the beauty of homelabs is being able to spin up a new VM
without impacting your current setup. I have a 64 bit Windows 11 VM I
could move the BBS to, at this point I don't have an 32-bit
dependencies.



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* In a message originally to Shurato, poindexter FORTRAN said:

Shurato wrote to Mortar M. <=-

AKA, the Procratination Maneuver. I'm in the Windows Insider

program, so

I'm all set. Come next October, however, I think it'll be time to

ease on

down the road.

Zero Patch will be available for a while.

Part of the beauty of homelabs is being able to spin up a new VM
without impacting your current setup. I have a 64 bit Windows 11 VM I
could move the BBS to, at this point I don't have an 32-bit
dependencies.

Yeah, I rely on too many DOS doors. Can't run linux either as the Linux port of my BBS software used the wrong compiler and can't run external programs (even linux ones).

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Shurato to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Nov 01 2025 06:16 pm

Yeah, I rely on too many DOS doors. Can't run linux either as the Linux port of my BBS software used the wrong compiler and can't run external programs (even linux ones).

Is the source code for your BBS software not available so that you can compile it yourself on the Linux distro you're using?

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* In a message originally to Shurato, Nightfox said:

Re: Re: windows 10/32bit By: Shurato to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Nov
01 2025 06:16 pm

Yeah, I rely on too many DOS doors. Can't run linux either as the

Linux

port of my BBS software used the wrong compiler and can't run

external

programs (even linux ones).

Is the source code for your BBS software not available so that you can compile it yourself on the Linux distro you're using?

It needs to be compiled with Virtual Pascal, which doesn't exist in Linux.
It's compiled in Free Pascal and I couldn't get the source code to compile at all. It's written in Pascal, which is a problem with Linux.

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