Re: Betterbird..
By: MRO to Ogg on Wed Apr 20 2022 10:46 pm

Re: Betterbird..
By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Apr 20 2022 05:39 pm

Hello MRO!

** On Tuesday 19.04.22 - 13:47, MRO wrote to Boraxman:

man pgp is too much work to setup, and people rarely use it
anymore.

What is so hard about it?

it's just another hassle. and you have to make sure people you send email to have it too.

deltachat looks cool i'm wondering why it's 125mb on windows, though.

Tutanota is a good option. You can send encrypted e-mails to people who don't use it, they
just need to know a shared password in advance.

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Re: Betterbird..
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:25 pm

I just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If they want me to do something like give them a password via plaintext, then I simply wont.

yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that, they should login and immediately change it.
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Re: Betterbird..
By: Boraxman to Ogg on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:28 pm

I'll check it out. The problem is, some people I know who are worried about privacy, wont bother using tools, not GPG, not anything.

just tell them there is no such thing as privacy
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Re: Betterbird..
By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu Apr 21 2022 03:37 pm

Re: Betterbird..
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Apr 21 2022 08:25 pm

I just don't bother using it with people who don't want to use it. If they wa
me to do something like give them a password via plaintext, then I simply wont

yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that, they should login and
immediately change it.

Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be able to access (i.e., an admin
password).

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Hello Boraxman!

** On Friday 22.04.22 - 17:31, Boraxman wrote to MRO:

yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that,
they should login and immediately change it.

With services like Protonmail, the non-Protonmail recipient
just needs to know the passphrase that you used for that
particular message. In those instances, I just send a "formula"
to the recipient in a separate email that only the recipient
would know how to solve. For example,

passphrase = <yourtown>+<petname>+<YearOfYourCar>

Only the recipient would know how to solve for the above.

Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
book, and use something like this:

passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)

Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be able
to access (i.e., an admin password).

That's a different matter. But for emails, and passworded
files, a formula method like above could work.


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Re: Betterbird..
By: Ogg to Boraxman on Sun Apr 24 2022 01:06 pm

Hello Boraxman!

** On Friday 22.04.22 - 17:31, Boraxman wrote to MRO:

yeah but if you give them a pasword or something like that,
they should login and immediately change it.

With services like Protonmail, the non-Protonmail recipient
just needs to know the passphrase that you used for that
particular message. In those instances, I just send a "formula"
to the recipient in a separate email that only the recipient
would know how to solve. For example,

passphrase = <yourtown>+<petname>+<YearOfYourCar>

Only the recipient would know how to solve for the above.

Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
book, and use something like this:

passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)

Doesn't work if it an account that we both need to be able
to access (i.e., an admin password).

That's a different matter. But for emails, and passworded
files, a formula method like above could work.

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A workable idea, definately. Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keep prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password" people out is to send the password in an SMS.

Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but if you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% of the cases where you will need encryption.

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Hello Boraxman!

** On Monday 25.04.22 - 09:47, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:

Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
book, and use something like this:

passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)

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A workable idea, definately.

Two people can even establish a "phrase" based on a favourite
"anything" (a food item, wine, tech toy, book, etc..) ..and
simply pre-establish that you will use the first or last 5-
digits of the product code (or in the case of a book, part of
the isbn number.)

I get totally frustrated when some people send me eTransfers
and they put the answer to the passphrase right in the message
box (even when the system expressly reminds the user NOT to do
that.)

Or, they use something really simple like "the town you live
in". Anyone who knows me would know the answer to that.

It's a sad commentary that some people just don't appreciate
the relevance of keeping things like passphrases and passwords
private.

Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keep
prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password"
people out is to send the password in an SMS.

SMS is totally in the clear, and probably all logged - forever.

Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but if
you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% of
the cases where you will need encryption.

Deleting an SMS on your phone, maybe. But all those messages
are accessible to the people who work in the phone industry.



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Hello Boraxman!

** On Monday 25.04.22 - 09:47, Boraxman wrote to Ogg:

Or... the two of you could agree on using exactly the same
book, and use something like this:

passphrase = ourbook(the first 3 words on page 100, row 10)

--

A workable idea, definately.

Two people can even establish a "phrase" based on a favourite
"anything" (a food item, wine, tech toy, book, etc..) ..and
simply pre-establish that you will use the first or last 5-
digits of the product code (or in the case of a book, part of
the isbn number.)

I get totally frustrated when some people send me eTransfers
and they put the answer to the passphrase right in the message
box (even when the system expressly reminds the user NOT to do
that.)

Or, they use something really simple like "the town you live
in". Anyone who knows me would know the answer to that.

It's a sad commentary that some people just don't appreciate
the relevance of keeping things like passphrases and passwords
private.

High trust in some cases. I did admin work, and people had no issue leaving me passwords. This was a while ago, and sometimes they wanted me to help them with their home computer, again, they just left me with the passwords.

The post-it notes with passwords were always a headache.

Another simple option, if you're just looking for the "keep
prying eyes who might steal my laptop/gain my password"
people out is to send the password in an SMS.

SMS is totally in the clear, and probably all logged - forever.

Not as secure,especially if your phone is stolen, but if
you delete the message, it should protect you from 99% of
the cases where you will need encryption.

Deleting an SMS on your phone, maybe. But all those messages
are accessible to the people who work in the phone industry.

The level of security you need, is based on the threat. SMS's are in the clear, but it would take a lot of work to match an SMS with with an account, particularly if you say by e-mail you'll send the password by SMS, and send the password by SMS alone, without any other information.

Someone could attack, but for the most part, if your laptop is stolen for example, your safe, or any other compromise of your computer/e-mail.

Not ideal, but far better than sending it in the same email.

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Ogg wrote to All <=-

"Betterbird. Simply better.

"Betterbird is a fine-tuned version of Mozilla Thunderbird,
Thunderbird on steroids, if you will.

Okay, I finally downloaded it. It looks the same. Hopefully, it works better.

I hope.

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